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Well Done! Azhar Ali

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  1. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

    Apr 26, 2011
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    No team had chased 250+ target against Pakistan in Tests in last 20 years.

    Azhar Ali broke that record and let England chase 277 against Pakistan and that too when they were 117/5. So well done to the most timid Captain of Pakistan's history.
     
  2. Don Quixote
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    Don Quixote Whispering Death

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    Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq should be dropped for the next match if they really want to win this series. Play Shadab as the main spinner instead of Yasir Shah.
     
  3. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    ShokoTolo_LoloMoto Talented

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    Yeah, if we had won this game, all praise would've been rendered to Misbah as the mastermind.

    Azhar Ali is only the effect. He is a a yes man lallu captain who takes orders from Misbah. And THAT'S where the root cause of the issue is.
     
  4. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    Yeah drop the only bowler who was looking threatening in this test. Who will take 20 wickets for you then?
     
  5. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    The guy picked 8 wickets in the match and scored 33 precious runs in the 2nd innings..
     
  6. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Shahzad.Firdous Cornered Tiger

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    Team acha khel kar haari hai.. win and loss is part of the game... learn to appreciate your team's efforts.. they gave everything they had.. Fawad Alam is the difference between win and loss... skill level ka farq hai jo sirf Fawad fill kar sakta hai..
     
  7. Choi Saab
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    Choi Saab Smooth Operator

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    You all being critical, Azhar was superb, not his fault.
     
  8. Fireworks11
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    No way pak should have lost that Test.

    very poor lacklustre Complacent 2nd innings batting Followed by v poor captaincy.
     
  9. TalhaSyed
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    This loss hurt.

    Azhar's captaincy and an extremely poor showing with the bat by majority of our batsmen to blame.

    Asad, Abid, Rizwan and Azhar really need to contribute more with the bat.

    Meanwhile Azhar just completely looked lost at sea when Woakes and Butler went on the counter attack. Listening to BBC commentary, watching the game on Sky and following it in Cricinfo - it seemed like every single pundit, commentator and fan knew what Pakistan should be doing - apart from Azhar.

    I get it - it's easy to be a captain from your couch - however, the mistakes Azhar made today were just fundamentals. You have to attack the tail end. You have to get Woakes with the bouncer. You have to get your pace men to try and bounce and York the tail out. When your spinners are spinning the ball around corners you have to give them attacking fields.

    Woakes would smash a four, the field would drop back and he would milk a single. It was all way too easy for Woakes and Butler.

    For a couple of balls Azhar tried the short ball tactic against Woakes and during that Woakes played a false shot - but even then it was strange because the bowlers were bowling around the wicket and bowling across Woakes so he could simply clear his front leg and swing. You have to come over the wicket and direct bouncers at his body - cramping him for room.

    When you have bowlers like Naseem and Shaheen at your disposal who are pretty rapid and the likes of Yasir who was getting spin and bounce you should be able to knock the tail over
     
  10. Mohammed Bilal
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    Mohammed Bilal Tracer Bullet

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    Azhar Ali is next level. He's not a competitive cricketer. Same thing he's said in the press conference 'we need a AR at 7 to compete away' that's simply not true. Our batsman hardly turn up when the going gets tough. Azhar especially is as good as Abbas in away Tests with his batting. Actually insult to Abbas because he's our main bowler and Azhar is also busy losing games with his captaincy. Allround Azhar has given a strong reason for us to move away from him for good.
     
  11. Mohammed Bilal
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    Mohammed Bilal Tracer Bullet

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    Superb for England. I remember we were chasing NZ in UAE we were supposed to get 170 I think and it literally felt the NZ bowlers were not as much as a threat as Kanes captaincy.
     
  12. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    ShokoTolo_LoloMoto Talented

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    Blaming Azhar is childish.
    He is just a pawn who is being a yes man to save his spot in the team by completely submitting himself to Misbah.

    It’s that LAANTI Misbah who is running the show behind the scenes. Azhar simply carries the orders.
     
  13. Mohan
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    Mohan Formerly 'Captain Clutch'

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    We are suffering from a much bigger problem. Virat Kohli has absolute power in everything when it comes to the team and all the other players and even the entire coaching staff and selectors are his yes men.

    Be glad that your issue has a cure atleast lol.
     
  14. Bilal123
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    Bilal123 Tracer Bullet

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    Simple reason for the loss is poor batting.. not due to skill level rather application.
    Azhar, Asad, Abid, Rizwan, all these guys don't know how to play meaningful innings. They seems mentally weak.

    For instance, Woakes has just played an innings which is probably better than any played by these guys. Woakes is primarily a bowler...
     
  15. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    ShokoTolo_LoloMoto Talented

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    The freaking chief selector and headcoach had years to teach and inspire them, no?
     
  16. saiyan0321
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    saiyan0321 Cornered Tiger

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    you overestimate us. We have the same issue but due to lallus, it doesnt show up. If we had a player like virat in our team, we would have made him president for life by now.
     
  17. saiyan0321
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    saiyan0321 Cornered Tiger

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    Absolutely agreed with the op. Three major reasons for defeat were the following

    The batting simply did not look in place. Dont let that 300+ in the first inning fool you. Shan with his 150 and Babar with his 50 contributed to that score along with some choice hitting from Shadab. Did you guys look at the score card of the first innings.

    156 from Shan

    Babar for 69

    Shadab for 45


    Three players scored 270 runs out of 326. the next highest scorer was Abid ali with his 16 and EXTRAS with 10!!

    The entire batting unit was to collapse the moment babar and shan were to go for cheap and that is exactly what happened in the second innings. The seniors failed to make an impact and Shan was instrumental in making sure we had 300+ thanks to him being there and making partnerships. So batting is not forgivable at all. Azhar and Asad were abysmal and they need to get an earful. The middle order looks extremely brittle. They get either of the openers and babar and its game and the second innings exposed this massively.


    Second reason was the absolute non-performance of senior like Azhar and Asad. They were already inconsistent in their performance, relying entirely on Misbah and Younis. When you have a stable partner at the end and a senior, it gives you confidence to bat and that is the difference between winning and losing. These two were never strong players and needed confidence themselves to perform and now they not only need to have confidence but also give it to others and thus they look like deer in a headlight. Younis and Misbah did exactly that. They were confident and they gave confidence to others. The team looks hollow because all we see are misfits or inexperienced players. We failed to groom a good senior batsman. Asad and Azhar arent the guys that can take that amazing position of senior batsman. We, in Pakistan cricket have thrown away the concept of that senior player by giving the esteemed title of Senior to every TTF. Its like the title of 'Maher-e-Qanoondan' being given to every tom, **** and harry senior lawyer. An absolute senior is a confident player that draws his confidence from his skill, growth and experience. Here our senior players ask for confidence. By what right do they have the gal to be called senior player.

    Third reason is the abysmal captaincy which again stems from second reason. Azhar is not a confident man and cannot back himself to make a tough call. These defensive captains just dont have the confidence and before you say Misbah, he, as a captain, was not that confident especially considering the 90% of his stint revolved around a great debate on whether he should be captain or Afridi and how he should be removed. Azhar is beyond the term 'Not Confident' and thus the moment the pressure mounted, he collapsed and opened the field which was the most moronic decision since the match was either going to be won by us or them. There would be no draw so opening the field to stop boundaries made no sense at all and the moment he did that, the bowlers lost themselves as well because just like confidence is contagious, lack of confidence is equally contagious and the bowlers pick up on it and start bowling defensive lines. Shah pitched one up and it went for four yet rather than try it again, he went for back of the length which woakes defended easily. Shah had lost the confidence in that moment because his captain had lost it. Bowlers under Misbah would also get affected like that and whenever he would attack, they would be unstoppable which we saw when UAE was a fortress for us. It was a fortress because the captain believed himself invincible over there and was confident in his captaincy.


    These timid, no confidence players will only get the team down thus even when we had england by the throat so many times, yet we let them away because we just didnt have the confidence to take them down.
     
  18. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    It was a simple plan against Woakes and every team knows this. Give ball to Shaheen and Naseem and tell them to target the ribs of Woakes. And put a man on the leg side near the bat. I bet he would not survive 5 overs of such bowling. But what our timid Captain did he spread the field because Butler was hitting some fours at that time and England was still needing 150+ runs.
     
  19. Express Pace
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    Express Pace Cornered Tiger

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    It is strange our team didn’t know this tactic when everyone else is well aware.
     
  20. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    Sometimes I wonder how did these guys became Test Cricketers. Zero IQ
     
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    Express Pace Cornered Tiger

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    He doesn’t even look like he is going to score. As soon as he comes in he is a walking wicket.
     
  23. Mir
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    Mir Youngsta Beauty

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    We lost it in 2nd innings where we should have atleast scored 250 but law of averages caught up with shan, babar had a rare failure , azhar asad failed us big time and then the clueless captaincy of Azhar too defensive, timid , no fighting spirit no passion
    He should be sacked
     
  24. Mohammed Bilal
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    Mohammed Bilal Tracer Bullet

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    Azhar - fans have no confidence in his batting and his captaincy is not helping because he's letting his inexperienced bowlers down.
    Asad - better than Azhar but a massive let down when we need him.
    Babar - he's also shown signs when we need a innings from him he doesn't turn up he's just proving to be a better version of Asad. Don't compare him to Virat or Smith.
    Shan - can compare him with Karunaratne.
    Abid - can't play in England
    Rizwan- inexperienced
    Shadab - good AR in SENA, can obviously bat but again Azhar is the problem with him as well.
    Yasir - fine
    Abbas - Fine (not a long term option)
    Nasim - Talent
    Shaheen- inexperienced but will come good
     
  25. Mohsin
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    Mohsin Sultan of Swing

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    Guy has no cricketing brain WHATSOEVER. Incredibly useless.

    You have a day 4 pitch (which Vaughan said looked like a day 6 pitch) and 2, yes 2 leggies. Lekin hamara azeem kaptaan thought 'let us have 40 runs to defend before I bowl both spinners together' (when, what a surprise, things suddenly started happening).
     
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    Mohsin Sultan of Swing

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    Pehle Bangladesh main izzat kamai uss ne, phir PSL main, will now add first series loss in England after 10 years to his list of achievements lol

    Also lets not forget Asad Lara. Will flop again in next test before coming back in final test to score a match losing (but career saving) 100
     
  27. Mohsin
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    Mohsin Sultan of Swing

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    lol threatening. Pitch and tailor made and he looked shite and toothless. Short, full, boundary ball every over etc. Only had 1 proper over in the entire game (the over his got Stokes).
     
  28. MNA
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    Yasir was just useless. Dont get fooled by his figures. He was the main leggy and England still chased 276 in 4th innings on 4th day. This is inexcusable. If he cant bowl out the opposition in this scenario then he should just stick to the UAE phattas
     
  29. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    And the other bowlers were there to sell channay?
     
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    Other bowlers were relatively rookie, not a 30-plus ageing so called experienced leggie with ton of experience.
     
  31. Mohsin
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    Mohsin Sultan of Swing

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    1. Other bowlers arent your main/most experienced gun bowler

    2. Other bowlers arent bowling on a pitch tailor made for them (Shadab was given a handful of over all game before you say why did Shadab not do anything, though even his overs were at least still mostly consistent in terms if line and length).

    If your main leg spinner can hardly create trouble/chances on a day 4 (playing like a day 5/6 pitch) but bowlers like Bess can create trouble for ours on day 3, there are issues.
     
  32. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    Stop hating. Did Bess took 8 wickets in the game?
     
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    Yasir performed both with bat & ball. The reason of our loss was Azhar & Asad mainly.
     
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    Mohsin Sultan of Swing

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    2 of those wickets came at the end. Butler and Broad, when the game was lost. So no use for them. 2 other wickets (Root in first innings and Sibley in second) were batsman giving their wicket away. 2 was Bess. So 5 of those wickets are hardly any kamai. Stokes was class ball and like I said, by far the best over he bowled all game. Im not putting the loss purely in Yasir (dont even want to talk about our 'China ke Inzi and Younus') but on that pitch, when you have 277 to defend, you should be doing MUCH better. Not relying on Sibley mistake and then getting cheap wickets at the end.

    Re Bess, no one is comparing the 2. Shah SHOULD be out performing Bess EASILY.
     
  35. Express Pace
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    Express Pace Cornered Tiger

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    I think he bowled well and tried his heart out. It wasn’t that bad of a pitch, certainly not a ‘minefield’. The odd ball misbehaved but other than that it was a good batting pitch. The main fault lies with the batsman and the horrendous second innings.
     
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    Express Pace Cornered Tiger

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    Yasir also had the highest score in the 2nd innings , a bit harsh to blame him for the loss!!!
     
  37. Patriot
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    top 4 worst captains for Pakistan

    1- Azhar Ali
    2- Yousuf
    3- Shahid Afridi
    4- Saeed Anwar
     
  38. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    ShokoTolo_LoloMoto Talented

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    I already summed it up during the game.

    Shan Masood innings was a one time fluke. He is a third class parchi, just like Imran Farhat.

    The root cause of your point 2 n 3 is Misbah.
    Misbah trained Asad n Azhar under his captaincy, and then passed on his captaincy traits to Azhar.
     
  39. Dare2Dream
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    Dare2Dream Talented

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    4th inning is as much about putting pressure on the other side as it is about anything else. Should have bowled spinners with silly point and short leg in place, cut off singles and let the other team take chances. But when you have a defensive mindset, it is too much to understand that spreading out the field is handing the match to the other team.
     
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    Mohsin Sultan of Swing

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    Also btw, Shan may have scored 150..but he was out (the first time) on 45.

    So dont expect too much in the remaining games (hopefully im wrong)
     

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