What do Pak need to do to Qualify?

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  1. harsha
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    I don't think the Bangs have it in them to win against Pak in this world cup. Pak is most dangerous when they play for the win as if they've got nothing to lose.

    Agree that there's a difference in talent between India & Pak , The match would have been closer if they were batting first though

    Yeah, they need to be batting first in all of them. Mainly cause they suck at chasing.
     
  2. ASLI-PATHAN
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    It was not a choke. It was thrashing. Pakistan was not in a position of winning even for a second in the whole match.
     
  3. Bruce Wayne
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    Every single Indian fan in that ground laughed when he won the toss and chose to bowl first. The things they were saying was everything you read online and it feels even worse when your problems and struggles come out of your arch rivals mouth as laughter and humour!
     
  4. Fireworks11
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    If we win last 4 game and this is a massive if, even then we may not get through.
     
  5. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Good to see that you accepted the fact.
     
  6. Hero
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    NZ is easily the toughest match left. where there's a will, there's a way!
     
  7. baqir
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    Pak win remaining games 4 in 4
    Eng only win 2 of 5 games
    If NZ win more than 2 games & Eng win more than 2 games. Pakistan will be disqualified [​IMG]


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  8. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    Seriously,
    it’s hard to believe, and it’s laughable n sad at the same time that folks still dream about Pak team qualifying for semis, based on miracles to happen.


    I actually send Laanut on the English team for losing against such a third class crap Pakistani team.
     
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    This team wont even beat Bangs, ppl are still dreaming a repeat of 92, but for me this might well be a repeat of 2007 WC!
     
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    Do you seriously believe England will lose 3 out of 5? LOL
     
  11. chandtara
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    8 points is the maximum available if we somehow manage to win our remaining 4 games. That takes us to 11 points.

    Will be a miracle to get anywhere near qualifying from here. So many results will need to go our way. By the time we play South Africa we will be even further away.
     
  12. s_h_a_f
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    Guys, it won’t happen. We won’t even beat SA & BD. It’s over.

    Im looking forward to retirements of certain players.
     
  13. chandtara
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    Where does Pakistan go from here?

    There is almost a month remaining of the Cricket World Cup currently being held in England and Wales, and the Pakistan side still has almost half of its matches to go. However, such have been the sorry results of the men in green that their tournament is already almost over. With just one win (a giant upset against hosts and favourites England) from five matches, Sarfaraz Ahmed’s team faces a gigantic task to reach the semifinals.

    After the crushing defeat to arch-rivals India, Sarfaraz had spoken of how winning all their remaining matches could take the team to the knockouts. Unfortunately for him, he was only half right. Beating New Zealand, South Africa, Bangladesh and Afghanistan in their remaining four matches would leave Pakistan with ten points. However, in order to qualify they would need other teams to lose matches as well. Australia and New Zealand are the two most likely sides that Pakistan would be competing for a spot with. The defending champions Australia have a much easier schedule, while New Zealand take on England, Australia, Pakistan, South Africa and the West Indies. Not only would Pakistan need to win all four matches, they would need the currently undefeated Kiwis to lose four out of five matches.

    This scenario doesn’t take into account Bangladesh’s current run, who mounted a record chase against the same West Indian attack that had dismissed Pakistan for the tournament’s lowest score. Mashrafe Mortaza’s team would fancy their chances to make the semifinals, and are already on two wins compared to Pakistan’s one. Furthermore, given how poor Pakistan’s net run rate (NRR) is, they can’t afford to finish with the same number of points as another team.

    Some might point to how the 1992 World Cup side, which famously won the tournament, faced a similar scenario, right down to needing other teams to lose. However, in that case they weren’t counting on one of the tournament favourites to lose four out of five matches, already a major ask. On top of that, the 1992 side was a mix of legendary veterans and young players who largely were yet to make their mark. In contrast, the main young players in this side - Fakhar Zaman, Babar Azam, Shadab Khan, Imad Wasim, Hasan Ali - all announced themselves to the world in Pakistan’s Champions Trophy win two years ago, and it can be argued that Babar apart, none of them have progressed much since, with Hasan Ali facing an alarming loss of form. Moreover, the veterans in this side have struggled to pull their weight, with Shoaib Malik in particular looking woeful.

    Nevertheless, if Pakistan are to mount a miracle, they would need to start by choosing their best XI. The top three of Fakhar, Imam-ul-Haq and Babar have struggled to score at top pace, but have offered a lot of consistency. The middle order has been the most vexing spot, as the combination of Mohammad Hafeez, Sarfaraz Ahmed and Shoaib Malik has failed to click. With Malik the most out of form, the call should be to replace him with Haris Sohail or Asif Ali. The former reduces the chances of a collapse, while the latter provides Pakistan’s only option for big hitting. There is little doubt that regardless of conditions, both Shadab and Imad should be played for the control they bring as well as the fact that Pakistan’s pace attack is far too inexperienced. Playing both would allow for three pacers, in Wahab Riaz, Mohammad Amir and Hasan Ali.

    Tactically Pakistan would need to think of attacking in ways that they can restrict opposition sides, as the team struggles to score big, especially while chasing. Focusing on attacking with the bowling might help the team to overcome that gap. However, that’s easier said than done as the bowling has looked woeful in the tournament so far. Using Hafeez’s spin for a few overs might be one way of reducing Hasan Ali’s burden, who has looked the weakest of the bowlers yet might benefit from reduced responsibility.

    Speaking realistically however, with reports of dressing room infighting emerging after the India loss, it seems quite likely that Pakistan will finish second last in this tournament. If that happens, a hard reset on the team seems likely, with many heads to roll. The problem with such an approach is that there are only so many players that can be replaced, and Imad Wasim apart there are no obvious choices for captain. Even Imad has not too much experience leading, though he was recently captain of a PSL side. Coach Mickey Arthur is also likely to find himself on the firing line, and given how much focus there had been on building up to this tournament when he was hired, it seems that he might be given much of the blame.

    However, it would be foolish to just look at this squad and coaching setup and think the problem ends there. Pakistan cricket has faced a decade in exile which has hurt it a lot, but its antiquated and irrational domestic system needs a crucial overhaul. A giant setup with mismatched teams, pitches that discourage shot making or high skill bowling, few facilities for learning new skills and a lack of steady money are all issues that need addressing. However, the recent outcry when the board tried to remove corporate-backed departmental sides was a reminder of just how entrenched the old ways are. Prime Minister Imran Khan, who led the team to the World Cup in 1992, would need to be bold and decisive to push through widespread changes, as multiple regimes have shown that the PCB alone is not capable of it.

    In many ways, the situation looks quite bleak for Pakistan cricket. Perhaps the biggest cause for optimism might be that things can only get better from here.

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  14. s_h_a_f
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    Go home & HOPEFULLY qualify for thr 2023 WC
     
  15. Zak
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    anyone got a spare ticket for pak nz
     
  16. Shahzad.Firdous
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    India will beat bangladesh too!! India might go unbeaten into semi final.
     
  17. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Now it's extremely difficult for Pakistan after NZ win against SA.
     
  18. PakistanZindabad!
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    Narrowed our chances even further.


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  19. Del
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    For the competitive semi - I really dont want Pakistan to proceed.

    A) Its not realistic.
    B) They dont deserve.

    Be ready to lose by BD too.
     
  20. Passionate Pakistani
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    I think we will finish 8th or 9th

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  21. Bilal123
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    Aim should be to win the next 4 games. Doesn't matter where you finish from there. Ruin a few others campaign's
     
  22. Fireworks11
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    This result makes it very very difficult for Pak now

    Pak need to win all 4 games handsomely

    NZ need to lose next 4 games.
     
  23. s_h_a_f
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    GAME OVER

    NZ is not losing for four matches
     
  24. Bilal123
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    It was over when they threw the game vs Australia. India loss was expected. The rest of the world cup will be all about rumours and fall outs. Get your popcorn ready as we see some more face changes
     
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    Basically need a team to collapse. But i can see that Australia scenario
     
  27. Passionate Pakistani
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    Besides all these collpases, we also need a team to win 4 in a row which has won only 2 in last 16.

    We need to find a way where we can qualify by winning only against Afghanistan.

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  28. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    Seriously, a few of us showing signs of “Like team, like fans”.

    How intelligent and wise of a mindset and honest of an approach is it to wish, hope and dream for this team to reach the semis?

    Knowing the quality of this Pak team, is it even fair play for them to reach the semis?
    I don’t think so.

    This team does not deserve it. Aukaat nahi hai.

    We need to do a lot better of a homework and prepare a strong, competitive and fighter of a team, lead by a sound and intelligent leader. And only then, it will be honestly fair to wish such a team to reach the play offs.

    As I stated before, we have sent a donkey cart to compete in a Formula 1 race - and now we want our donkey cart to win as we hope to have accidents and malfunctions happen to all cars in the lead.

    Seriously, how intelligent is this thought process ?
    IMO, it’s not patriotism or nationalism. It’s pure stupidity!
     
  29. Passionate Pakistani
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    You normally work 4 years to build a team for worldcup.. here we were recalling wahab at eleventh hour and picked Hasnain hoping against hope that he will be some new sensation.

    Same thing happened in CT when all these psl stars, shadab, fakhar, rumaan etc were included in team.. it can work sometimes but not everytime.

    You need to build a proper team in 4 years with more than capable replacements.

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  30. Fireworks11
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    So basically...

    If you do predictions then if Pak win all their remaining matches which includes beating SA and NZ and then if NZ lose to Pak, Eng and Aus then we have Pak and NZ level on points with NRR deciding it. If NZ also lose to WI then Pak go through.

    I’m just saying it’s still possible. Also need India to win all remaining games. Today’s game doesn’t matter too much.
     
  31. s_h_a_f
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    Shockingly bad planning. After CT trashing, Ind replace Ashwin & Jadeja with Yadav & Chahal.
    Whereas Wahab who has not been part of the side for two yrs, is suddenly recalled. Madness.
     
  32. chandtara
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    chandtara Mr Cricistan

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    As bad as we are, look at South Africa too!
     
  33. Bilal123
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    I can see why Pakistan is sooo bad. What is South Africas excuse lol.

    They have sooo much talent yet little results. Never understood this team.
     
  34. Passionate Pakistani
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    Not really.. hardly any talent

    Rabada is not a top odi bowler.. Tahir and Amla nearing their end. Faf has lost it and Dekock is theit only clutch player

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  35. harsha
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    Pretty much think that SA is wanting to go home now. With all their problems, I think Pak can win over them. Beating NZ is going to be tougher.
     
  36. KingOfDoosra
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    Pakistan needs to smash NZ like they smashed them in 2009 T20s to qualify

    Big dent to their NRR and big boost to ours
     
  37. Fireworks11
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    we need to brutally destroy NZ and win big. We need NZ to lose all games by a big margin.
     
  38. s_h_a_f
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    We need to beat SA first lol
     
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    We won’t be beating Bangladesh never mind NZ.


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  40. Fireworks11
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    Why not. Pak can beat Bangladesh. Our bowling is superior than theirs
     

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