What do Pak need to do to Qualify?

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  1. s_h_a_f
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    s_h_a_f Whispering Death

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    NZ have to lose by 150
     
  2. Mohammed Bilal
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    How much does Pak have to win by?
     
  3. Express Pace
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    Not rely on India for a start lol!
     
  4. PakistanZindabad!
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    This is under the assumption that Pakistan only win by a very tight margin which is probably smart


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  5. s_h_a_f
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    150
     
  6. Express Pace
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    Best bet is NZ beating England, which is possible. I give them a 30% chance.
     
  7. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Yaar if NZ lose that will also bring down their NRR right? We can't tell now how much will Pakistan need to win. Let Eng v NZ take place then we will know.
     
  8. Dare2Dream
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    But net run rate is based on all overs for and against a team from all the games in the tournament, so the 1.364 NRR difference has to be over 300+ overs already faced by the sides. We're talking about a differential of hundreds of runs.
     
  9. ASLI-PATHAN
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    That is already calculated and the Net result is -0.792 for Pakistan
     
  10. Dare2Dream
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    Not really.

    Current Pakistan NRR = 1710/338.5 - 1773/303.4 = 5.05 - 5.84 = -0.792

    Hypothetically if Pakistan had scored more runs and had the same NRR as NZ, then

    Hypo Pakistan NRR = 2170/338.5 - 1773/303.4 = 6.41 - 5.84 = 0.57

    So basically we are 460 runs short to equal NZ's NRR, keeping all else the same. NRR has to be calculated over all games which makes it difficult for us to overcome NZ/Eng NRR.

    Rules per cricinfo:

    League Stage
    In the event of teams finishing on equal points
    * The team with the most wins in the League Stage will be placed in the higher position.
    * If there are teams with equal points and equal wins in the League Stage then in such case the teams will be ordered according to their net run rate in the League Stage matches.
    * If there are teams that are still equal, they will be ordered according to the result(s) of the head to head match(es) played between them (points, then if still equal, net run rate in those matches).
    * If the above does not resolve the League Stage ordering and there are teams that are still equal, the teams will be ordered as per their League Stage seedings.
    * If all matches in the League Stage produce no results the teams will be ordered as per their League Stage seedings and the top 4 seeded teams will progress to Semi-Finals.
     
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  11. s_h_a_f
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    Im just plucking random numbers lol
     
  12. Fireworks11
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    Its NZ win or bust.

    Indians think they are too smart. Fools.
     
  13. Energy
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    Yeah, don't think we can down NZ on NRR. Thankfully they play before us so they don't have the option of playing it safe - NZ will want to win the game.
     
  14. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Either NZ win or England should really slaughter them by 200 runs or so.
     
  15. Fireworks11
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    Never rely on Indians to help u. They will lose their dignity to make sure pak go out.
     
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    Durham ground is swing and seam, plays on to kiwis hands, boult and southie could be very dangerous on there
     
  17. Energy
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    Yaar that's looking like a tough ask.
     
  18. Mohammed Bilal
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    Never rely/put trust in Indian or Russian breed that we played yesterday.
     
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  19. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    Here is the deal OK? and you may not like it but,

    Why don’t Australia India England and New Zealand go into these mental gymnastics to figure out in desperate hopes as to how can they qualify due to the result others games?

    Because they are good teams!

    They march forward with their own performance rather than relying on others.


    Our team is a puddu team which is totally full of inconsistency - it’s like one of those fateechar cars that drives for a few meters, releases a big fart and lots of smoke, runs for a little bit more and releases two more big farts and jitters - runs for some more and starts to smoke again.

    It’s very simple - we are NOT a good team - and if anyone who says we are a good team then a donkey’s flying kick on your rear end. It should wake you up.

    We are not consistent so we are not good - that’s the only measure to classify whether a team is good or not?


    I am glad that we won’t make it to Semi because we don’t deserve it, and at the same time, I am thankful to God for saving our izzat against Afghanistan.
    This made it a respectful exit out of the WC for us.

    This is a reality check - whether u like it or not.
     
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    England who lost against Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Australia?

    The only thing separating us and England in this world cup is a washout against Sri Lanka.

    Anyway New Zealand will beat England.
     
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    I am having conflicting thoughts. A world cup is massive and the way Nz, Aus, Ind, Eng etc are playing it's a lottery for Pakistan who are peaking. Although I really want cricket in Pakistan to change. I would rather go out in the group stage then go in semi and get out because people will be satisfied with a place in the Semi and nothing will happen. The domestic structure needs a complete overhaul. World cup could provide a catalyst for that.
     
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    Yes we are not a great team. However we aren't that far away from the rest of the pack as your wrist slitting post indicates.

    Imagine if the Sri Lanka game hadn't been rained off AND similarly the New Zealand India game hasn't been rained off. We could be looking at a completely different scenario here. That's how fine this margin is.
     
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    The difference between the other teams and Pakistan is that they are more consistent. As long as this is the case we don't deserve to be called amongst one of the top 4 teams. We have a good bunch of players and i reckon with about 3/4 changes this could be a world beating team but we aren't quite there yet.
     
  24. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    Imagine?
    Yeah I think we are better off leaving it to imagination, otherwise the way we played against a third class Afghanistan team and how we lost against WI and blunders we made against India, you can imagine anything.

    You keep wanting to live in a fantasy world by burying your head in the sand.

    There is a reason why we stand where we stand in the world ranking.


    And did you notice why India is not worried about the rained out game against NZ much as we are crying a river about rained out game against SL?

    Why because? India is a good team who has marched forward with their consistent performance rather than banging their head against a wall because one of their game was washed out.
    Back to square one, aren’t we?

    This is perhaps the only team in the world where the captain does not deserve a spot in the team.
     
  25. Dare2Dream
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    Exactly, there is really no team that hasn't been downed when tested. NZ just got hammered by Australia, lost to us after a dismal batting performance and barely won from WI. Eng lost to us and SL. India just got found out chasing and their bowling got taken apart, and struggles against Afghanistan as well. Pak belongs in the semis as a top 4 team, our washout really hurt us in the end.
     
  26. ShokoTolo_LoloMoto
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    Why is India's washout against NZ not hurting them?

    Today, they purposely lost. Why? Because they can. That's what you call, might is right.
     
  27. ComradeVenom
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    Didnt India also come very close to losing against the third class Afghanistan team?

    Indias match that got rained off was a 50/50 game. Ours that got rained off was a 70/30. This is quite simple to understand.
     
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    NZ have a decent chance of beating England, they have much more of a potent bowling line up than the Indian trundlers and they will want to bounce back after back to back defeats.
     
  29. Energy
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    If Bangladesh beat India tomorrow, then NZ will not take the England game lightly as Bangladesh can catch them up on NRR.

    I think tomorrow's game is going un-noticed. Asian teams against each other always produces something.
     
  30. Fireworks11
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    Let’s hope NZ batting turns up. Their bowling is good but batting is unreliable.
     
  31. ComradeVenom
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    If India loses tomorrow then they have a slim chance of actually exiting the tournament.
     
  32. Mohsin
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    Just pray for NZ after each Namaaz.

    NRR ISNT going to send us through, no chance. Only a NZ win can/will.
     
  33. ASLI-PATHAN
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    NZ will hammer England.
     
  34. Saj
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    :eek:
     
  35. ASLI-PATHAN
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    Their bowling is miles better than England's and Durham will be bowling pitch.
     
  36. Mohsin
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    SL just scored 330odd

    Pitch will apparently be used pitch so if NZ chase they screwed.

    NZ batting bakwaas.
     
  37. ASLI-PATHAN
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    They will use other pitch I guess.

    NZ will InshaAllah win by Hook or Crook. England is doomed. They will never win WC.
     
  38. Fireworks11
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    Fireworks11 Kaptaan

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    I think there is a final twist in this spicy WC.

    NZ will win on Wednesday spiralling wild Pakistani celebrations.
     
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    For Pakistan to go past New Zealand, the result of the two relevant matches - Pakistan beating Bangladesh and England beating New Zealand - will have to be in the region of around 220 runs each.

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27094787/how-england-win-affects-bangladesh-pakistan
     
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    Well regardless, Wednesday will no doubt be a VEEEERY nervy day
     

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