Which was the best Asian test team ever?

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Which was the best Asian test team ever?

  1. India led by Virat Kohli in 2018

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  2. Pakistan led by Imran in 1987-90

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  3. Pakistan led by Mushtaq Muhammad in 1976-79

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  4. India led by Dhoni in 2009-2011

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  5. Pakistan led by Wasim Akram 1996-99

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  6. Pakistan led by Misbah ul Haq 2016-18

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  7. India led by Wadekar1971-73

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  8. India led by Ganguly2003-04

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  9. India led by Rahane 2020-21

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  10. Pakistan led by Inzamam in 2005

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  1. Harsh Thakor
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    Whatever the great achievements of Indian cricket in recent times I still maintain that the best ever Asian teams were the Pakistani teams of 1977-79,1987-1992 and 1996-99.India at it's best may have defeated Pakistan but overall it has not had as impressive test record overseas .True Pakistan did not win in Australia but remember the number of times it conquered England on their soil or drew with them in England.Morally it was Pakistan that won the test world championship title in the Carribean in 1988,when dubious umpiring decisions robbed them of a historic series victory.India has never beaten as powerful an English side as Pakistan did in 1987 or 1992 in England nor drawn a series with as good or beaten as strong a side in the Carribaen as Pakistan came so close to in 1988.I agree India drew with a powerful Aussie team down under in 2003-04 but it's bowling attack was not at it's best with Glen Mcgrath absent for 2 tests .In 1976-77 Pakistan drew with Australia at home and bad umpiring cost them a drawn rubber with West Indies.In 1992 and 1996 Pakistan beat strong Englsih teams with contempt and in 1998 drew a series agaisnt a powerful South African side away.Man to man Pakistan of 1999 was arguably even stronger than past top Pakistani teams.



    Even at home I give Pakistan the marginal edge,even if India performed best ever by an team at home when beating Australia in 2001 and South Africa in 1996.





    India's bowling was at it's best in 2018 in Australia followed by in Australia in 2007-08 or in England in 2014.Overall in terms of team balance India of 2002-2004 was the best ever Indian team.It's batting was very strong in terms of pure class or talent but still I feel the best Pakistani teams had more depth in 1977-79 and 1987-89.In terms of bowling attack even India's best did not match Pakistan in 1996-99 or 1986-88.The likes of Wasim-waqar-Saqlain or Wasim -Imran -Qadir made the Pakistani bowling attack one of the most potent of all time.Still India's batting depth of 1986-89 was in the same league as posessed by any Pakistani batting line up.



    No Asian team had the collective middle order bating strength as India in 2003-04 with the likes of Tendulkar,Dravid,Laxman, Ganguly and Sehwag or in 1994-98 with Tendulkar,Azhar,Sidhu,Ganguly and Dravid.





    In terms of pure achievement India has not equalled Pakistan's achievements under Mushtaq Muhammad from 1976-79 or under Imran Khan from 1986-89.India won formal world championship status when top sides like Australia or South Africa wee in decline .Pakistan's 2-1 loss in the Carribean in 1976-77morally to me surpassed India at it's best in Australia and Pakistan in 2003-04.



    In 1971 India reached status of unofficial test champions when most teams were in state of decline.Nevertheless did posess the most potent spin attack of all time and produced some truly cavalier performances.By a margin of a whisker I rate the Pakistan team of that era ahead led by Inthikab Alam.





    If I had a gun on my head I would vote for Pakistan under Mushtaq Muhammad to be the best Asian team of all time.Just a whisker below would be Imran led leam of 1986-90 and a notch below Indian team of 2003-04.Imagine a combination of Majid,Zaheer,Sadiq,Asif,Mushtaq ,Raja and Imran with the likes of Wasim Bari batting last.I would rank this team ahead of Australia led by Greg Chappell later or maybe even South Africa under Grame Smith..The 1987 team blending the classical reverse swing of Imran and Wasim with the magical spin of Qadir.With Wasim and Waqar together .The 1987 -88 Pak team had the likes of Abdul Qadir batting last.In Javed Miandada and Salim Malik it had two of the best batsman ever in a crisis and in Imran it had close to the best ever skipper and all-rounder.Pakistan posessed a more deadly duo than Lillee-Thomson.



    India had explosive talent in Zaheer Khan,Ishant Sharma,Jasprit Bhumra,Srinath,Kapil Dev,Bhuvanesh Kumar etc amongst pace bowlers but collectively it could never compare with Pakistan attack at it's best.What gave the bets Pakistani tames the cutting edge was the poise of their bowling attack,which propelled them to many a famous win.No doubt India's bowling attack of modern times is comparable to the best of all.



    India never had as many genuine all-rounders as Pakistan in 1997 in the time of Azhar Mehmood.Abdur Razzaq and Wasim Akram.



    Even at it's pinnacle India's batting in recent years comprising of the likes of Kohli,Rahane Pujara,Rahul,Pant etc does not match taht of yesteryear's.Infact with the bowlers of today the 1987 Indian team could have given the best Paksiatn teams a run for their money.







    My list in order of merit.



    1.Pakistan of 1976-79



    2.Pakistan 1987-89



    3.Pakistan 1996-99



    4.India 2003-04



    5.Pakistan 1982-83



    6.India 2018-2019



    7.India 2010-11



    8.Pakistan 1971-74



    9.India 1971-74



    10.India 1986-89
     
  2. Bilal123
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    Pakistan team with 87-89. The skills in that group was immense.

    96-99 was great too. Shame they underachieved massively.

    I think most of the Indian sides overachieved. They usually didn't have a good enough all round bowling though batting made up for it
     
  3. thair9999
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    I would say talent wise you can't have better team then 96-99 Pak Team, 2nd would be 87-89 Pak team. As @Bilal123 said 96-99 was way underachieved.
    Indian team in those time did overachieve. The current Indian teas are much more talented.
     
  4. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Wasim Akram's 96-99 was the best Asian team ever imo and 2nd best ever after Australia's team at the same time (Steve Waugh 11)....

    1. Saeed Anwar
    2. Aamir Sohail
    3. Ijaz Ahmed
    4. Inzamam
    5. Saleem Malik
    6. Azhar Mehmood
    7. Moeen Khan VC
    8. Wasim Akram C
    9. Saqlain Mushtaq
    10. Waqar Younus
    11. Shoaib Akhtar
    Reserves: Razzaq, Mohd Zahid, Mohd Akram, Mushtaq Ahmed, Shahid Afridi, Rameez Raja, Yousuf Youhana, Rashid Latif.
     
  5. Harsh Thakor
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    Why ahead of Imran's team of 1987-89 with its great record?Or India under Ganguly in 2003-04 ?Great choice of yours but like answer.
     
  6. Shahzad.Firdous
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    In my opinion, Wasim Akram ki team buhat buhat buhat strong team thi.. even stronger than Steve Waugh's Aussies, Ricky Ponting's Aussies, Westindies of 80s... Ganguly ki India to koi team hi nahi thi imo... Aaj wali Indian team bhi kuch nahi hai imo... In my opinion, right now Pakistan current team is better than current Indian team aur Inzi Woolmer ki team was better than India of 2004-2006 eventhough India had Fab 5 but dekha jaye to Inzi ki team ne India ko buhat bura phenta lagaya us zamane mein eventhough we were always under rated...
    Wasim ki team mere khayal mein history ki strongest team thi... Sirf apni infighting ki waja se underachieve kiya us team ne imo whereas Steve Waugh's team and Ricky Ponting's Australia achieved so much cus there was no infighting within their team... Reason agar aap Pakistan ki bowling ko aur Australia ki 90s 00s ki bowling ko compare karein Pakistan ke pass Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Shoaib, Afridi, Aamir Sohail, Razzaq, Azhar yeh sab the jab ke Australia ke pass Mcgrath aur Warne main bowlers the... Brett Lee ko agar aap Shoaib Akhtar se compare karte ho to Shoaib was miles ahead imo... Gellespie ke saamne Waqar Younus ko rakhte ho to Waqar was miles ahead... Wasim ke saamne McGrath ko agar rakhte ho to Wasim jaisa bowler cricket history mein nahi aaya.. McGrath to sirf 1 jaga per laa kar ball karta tha Wasim ke pass variety thi 6 alag ball karta tha aur reverse swing aur new ball alag... Shahid Afridi Aamir Sohail Razzaq Azhar yeh sab under rated the... Warne ko Saqlain ko agar compare karein no doubt Warne jaisa spinner cricket history mein nahi aaya just like Wasim with fast bowling yehan Australia ko edge hai but Saqlain bhi koi kam nahi tha mere khayal mein Saqlain Murali se better bowler tha cus of doosra... Test match bowling hi jeetati hai batsman ko decent total post karna hota hai board per aur Pakistan ke pass itni batting thi ke woh regularly decent totals post karte the... Wasim Akram ki team ko mere khayal se 99 World Cup jeetna chahye tha but Wasim Akram ke raaste mein Steve Waugh, Michael Bevan aur Shane Warne agaye mere hisaab se... specially Steve Waugh and Michael Bevan partnership won 99 World Cup for Australia... Australia ke pass Ponting, Mark Waugh, Gilchrist bhi the but World Cup unko Steve Waugh, Bevan aur Warne ne jeetaya tha imo...
     
  7. Shahzad.Firdous
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    In my opinion, Wasim Akram as a player was the most talented cricketer ever aur Misbah as overall cricketer that includes education, knowledge and caliber was equivalent to Imran Khan... Misbah as a Coach is also taking Pakistan to new heights very soon imo...
     
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    Current Pakistan Test Team will be greatest ever World Team in 2 year's time provided Misbah and this team management stays for another 2 years.... @Harsh Thakor @SwingNSeam

    In 2 years time, Pakistan test team:

    1. Imamul Haq
    2. Shan Masood
    3. Azhar Ali
    4. Babar Azam VC
    5. Fawad Alam C
    6. Rizwan
    7. Faheem Ashraf
    8. Sohail Khan (In Non Asian Conditions) / Hassan Ali (Anywhere in the World)
    9. Wahab Riaz
    10. Yasir Shah
    11. Shaheen Afridi
    Reserves: Hassan Ali, Harris Rauf, Tabish Khan, Nauman Ali, Shadab Khan, Usman Qadir, Nawaz, Harris Sohail, Fakhar Zaman, Abid Ali, Kamran Ghulam, Imran Butt, Saud Shakeel, Sarfraz, Usman Salahuddin, Abbas, Naseem Shah.
     
  9. Bilal123
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    @Shahzad.Firdous
    Mashallah nazar na lagay, you have an amazing eye for talent
     
  10. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Asad Shafiq ko mein bhool gaya.. Asad bhi zaroor comeback karega Insha Allah...
     
  11. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Jee buhat buhat shukriya janab... aap logon ki muhabbat hai...
     
  12. Fireworks11
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    asad is average.
     
  13. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Ziada tar players average hein but this is the best u have got imo...
     
  14. Bilal123
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    Asad is not good at all. He has no temperament. Best to try someone who may come good in future rather than a guy who we know is not going to be decent
     
  15. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Asad has one of the best temperament in entire team... his temperament is 2nd only to Fawad Alam imo... His innings in 1st test against Australia in 2016-17 i think was his best innings ever...
     
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    His temperament is poor. He throws his wicket away so often with poor shots
     
  17. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Average player hi team player hote hein aur strong teams banate hein... 90s ki Pakistan team history ki best team thi but infighting ki waja se itna under achieve kiya 90s ki team ne... Mere hisaab se 2 World Cup atleast jeetne chahye the 96 99 aur 2003 ke darmyaan... agar infighting nahi hoti to jeet jaate... Inzi ki team sab se united team thi but un ke saath bad luck hui 2007 WC se phele ICC ne Shoaib Akhtar aur Mohd Asif ko ban kar diya aur selectors ne Asim Kamal, Salman Butt aur Yasir Hameed ko chance dene ke bajaye Imran Nazir ko prefer kiya...
     
  18. cricfreak
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    Asad Bradman can take his temperament to domestic cricket.
    He was mentally fragile for me always, gave away his wicket on important occasions,
    Whosoever thinks his century in Australia makes him a legendary player don't forget even Salman Butt and Yasir Shah have achieved that feat in Australia, doesn't make them an automatic selection for a one off century.
     
  19. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Mere hisaab se temperament ki kami nahi thi skillset hi itna tha... he maximized whatever talent he had with a lot of discipline and self control....
     

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